1 00:00:01,460 --> 00:00:03,160 NARRATOR: In the criminal justice system 2 00:00:03,230 --> 00:00:07,140 the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups, 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,000 the police who investigate crime 4 00:00:09,060 --> 00:00:11,910 and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. 5 00:00:11,970 --> 00:00:13,610 These are their stories. 6 00:00:14,940 --> 00:00:17,380 Oh, come on, papi It's too damn cold out here for this. 7 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,350 Too cold? What'd I raise here, a man or a ratoncito? 8 00:00:20,410 --> 00:00:23,120 Hey, actually you didn't raise me at all. Mommy raised me. 9 00:00:23,210 --> 00:00:24,820 You were always too busy workin'. 10 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,260 Yeah, puttin' clothes on everybody's back, taking care of the family. 11 00:00:28,380 --> 00:00:30,760 Just be quiet now. You're scarin' away my fish. 12 00:00:30,820 --> 00:00:33,600 Look, can we just go over to Gristedes and buy some? 13 00:00:33,660 --> 00:00:36,100 I promise to let you tell everybody you caught it, okay? 14 00:00:36,160 --> 00:00:38,970 Look, when you do a job, you do it right, all right? 15 00:00:39,030 --> 00:00:41,560 Oh, oh, I think I got a nibble. 16 00:00:41,630 --> 00:00:44,240 Whoa! (GRUNTING) Damn, it's heavy! 17 00:00:44,300 --> 00:00:45,440 It's probably all the mercury. 18 00:00:45,500 --> 00:00:47,480 Gimme a hand here. Hurry up. 19 00:00:52,370 --> 00:00:54,150 VICTOR: Ay, Dios mio, pa. 20 00:00:57,210 --> 00:00:59,720 So what's the story? Girl meets bridge? 21 00:00:59,780 --> 00:01:02,920 Girl meets bullet. Then girl meets river. 22 00:01:02,990 --> 00:01:04,120 I love a happy ending. 23 00:01:04,190 --> 00:01:05,600 Any idea how long ago? 24 00:01:05,650 --> 00:01:08,230 It's hard to say with the bloating and decomposition. 25 00:01:08,290 --> 00:01:10,200 Three, maybe four weeks. 26 00:01:10,260 --> 00:01:12,670 You didn't find any ID floating around, did you? 27 00:01:12,730 --> 00:01:14,940 Nah. Just the clothes she went in with. 28 00:01:17,370 --> 00:01:19,810 Oh, looks like somebody did a number on her face. 29 00:01:19,870 --> 00:01:22,010 Something, more likely. 30 00:01:22,070 --> 00:01:25,070 Fish. They go for the eyes first. 31 00:02:16,190 --> 00:02:19,640 Victim's between 25 and 35, 5"6'. 32 00:02:19,690 --> 00:02:23,300 Death was caused by a single .22 caliber slug to the left temple region. 33 00:02:23,370 --> 00:02:25,280 Blow back. Up close and personal. 34 00:02:25,330 --> 00:02:26,940 Any sign of sexual assault? 35 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:28,500 That long in the river, I couldn't tell you. 36 00:02:28,570 --> 00:02:30,550 What about her clothes? Anything there? 37 00:02:30,640 --> 00:02:33,450 Mass manufactured. Nothin' unusual. 38 00:02:33,510 --> 00:02:37,120 You might check out her belt buckle though Looks handcrafted. 39 00:02:37,180 --> 00:02:39,090 There's an insignia stamped into the silver. 40 00:02:39,150 --> 00:02:40,460 Could be Native American. 41 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,000 American Indian Museum downtown might give us a leg up. 42 00:02:43,050 --> 00:02:45,860 Jane Doe with a buckle. Another promising start. 43 00:02:45,920 --> 00:02:48,370 Oh, actually, I'm thinkin' more like Jane Dietrich. 44 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,630 Given her dental work, she's probably a German national. 45 00:02:51,690 --> 00:02:52,760 How do you know that? 46 00:02:52,830 --> 00:02:57,210 Stateside metal crowns are usually custom made from gold or silver. 47 00:02:57,270 --> 00:02:59,510 Hers are generically stamped out of stainless steel. 48 00:02:59,570 --> 00:03:00,910 We don't do that? 49 00:03:00,970 --> 00:03:03,110 A couple of quack dentists in Texas tried. 50 00:03:03,710 --> 00:03:05,650 This technique's definitely German. 51 00:03:06,510 --> 00:03:08,580 ED: We figure she either emigrated to the U.S. 52 00:03:08,640 --> 00:03:10,150 or she came here on a tourist visa. 53 00:03:10,210 --> 00:03:11,320 You talk with the consulate? 54 00:03:11,380 --> 00:03:14,490 Mmm-hmm. No German national is reported missing in New York State. 55 00:03:14,550 --> 00:03:16,890 Now, with Argentina, it's a whole different story. 56 00:03:16,950 --> 00:03:18,690 What about travel visas? 57 00:03:18,750 --> 00:03:21,320 Over 6,000 in the past three months. 58 00:03:21,390 --> 00:03:22,560 Hey, the dollar's down. 59 00:03:22,620 --> 00:03:28,270 And of those, 2,346 went to females between the ages of 25 to 35. 60 00:03:28,330 --> 00:03:30,640 It'll take us till Oktoberfest to run through all of them. 61 00:03:30,700 --> 00:03:31,700 That's it? 62 00:03:31,770 --> 00:03:34,510 Well, we sent her dental records to the Fatherland. 63 00:03:34,570 --> 00:03:35,980 Oh, that could take months. 64 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,680 In the meantime, let's work with what we've got. 65 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:42,920 BRISCOE: Littlemoon Birdsong? 66 00:03:42,980 --> 00:03:44,480 If this is about those parking tickets, 67 00:03:44,550 --> 00:03:47,150 I was gonna send a check tomorrow, I swear. Take it easy. 68 00:03:47,220 --> 00:03:50,250 You're not gonna lose your micro-bus. We're Homicide. 69 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:51,420 Homicide? 70 00:03:51,490 --> 00:03:54,230 The curator at the Indian Museum thought this might be your work. 71 00:03:56,490 --> 00:03:58,700 Yeah, that's mine. 72 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,170 I did a series of them last year. 73 00:04:01,230 --> 00:04:03,800 But I don't understand what this has to do with a homicide. 74 00:04:03,870 --> 00:04:06,810 The victim was wearing that buckle when she was killed. 75 00:04:06,870 --> 00:04:08,250 (SIGHS) 76 00:04:10,270 --> 00:04:12,880 Actually, it's an Apache peace symbol. 77 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,590 Didn't protect them much either. 78 00:04:15,710 --> 00:04:18,050 We're gonna need a list of your customers. 79 00:04:18,110 --> 00:04:19,790 Oh, I don't do retail. 80 00:04:19,850 --> 00:04:23,350 Credit card receipts, sales tax, marketing plans... 81 00:04:23,420 --> 00:04:25,190 A little too time consuming. 82 00:04:25,690 --> 00:04:27,330 So where do you sell your work? 83 00:04:27,390 --> 00:04:29,230 A little boutique in Chelsea. 84 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,030 I let them deal with the headaches now. 85 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,540 I wish we all could. Thanks. 86 00:04:38,230 --> 00:04:40,800 Littlemoon Birdsong, my ass. 87 00:04:40,870 --> 00:04:43,410 Her name's Linda Epstein from Cedarhurst. 88 00:04:43,470 --> 00:04:44,750 Different tribe altogether. 89 00:04:44,810 --> 00:04:47,910 Yeah. I sold this. It's some sort of peace thing. 90 00:04:47,980 --> 00:04:49,790 We're trying to locate the woman who may have bought it. 91 00:04:49,840 --> 00:04:52,120 You remember everyone you arrest, Detective? 92 00:04:52,210 --> 00:04:54,630 She might have had a German accent. 93 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,030 (SCOFFS) Everybody's got an accent these days. 94 00:04:57,090 --> 00:04:59,430 Okay, what about credit card records? Sales receipts? 95 00:04:59,490 --> 00:05:02,060 You understand, we're mostly a cash business. 96 00:05:03,190 --> 00:05:04,760 We're not interested in your relationship 97 00:05:04,830 --> 00:05:05,960 with the tax collector, Ms. Martin. 98 00:05:06,030 --> 00:05:07,870 We just want to know who bought the buckle. 99 00:05:08,260 --> 00:05:10,540 Well, a lot of our customers sign our mailing list. 100 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:11,600 Would that do it? 101 00:05:11,670 --> 00:05:13,340 BRISCOE: We're gonna need everything. 102 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,310 Now, the list I need back next week. 103 00:05:15,370 --> 00:05:17,610 We're sending out a new mailer. 104 00:05:17,670 --> 00:05:19,580 Indonesian death masks. 105 00:05:21,810 --> 00:05:25,450 Guys, here's the Missing Persons. The whole Tri-State area. 106 00:05:25,510 --> 00:05:26,720 They go back six months, right? 107 00:05:26,780 --> 00:05:28,020 Just like you asked, Detective. 108 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:29,360 Thank you. 109 00:05:30,550 --> 00:05:33,470 Another no answer. That makes seven. 110 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:34,860 Yeah. 111 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,860 Oh. Okay. Thanks anyway. Yeah, I'll tell him. 112 00:05:39,730 --> 00:05:42,640 Chessie Shaw, New Milford, New Jersey. Alive and well. 113 00:05:42,700 --> 00:05:44,400 You tell her about the death masks? 114 00:05:44,470 --> 00:05:45,740 ED: That's everybody on my list. 115 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:47,440 What does that leave us with? 116 00:05:47,500 --> 00:05:50,710 Uh, that's seven no answers, a disconnect 117 00:05:50,770 --> 00:05:52,840 and five unlisted numbers. 118 00:05:52,940 --> 00:05:54,180 Any luck so far? 119 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,950 Well, I figure either Our Lady of the Hudson wasn't on the mailing list, 120 00:05:58,010 --> 00:05:59,650 or the belt buckle was a gift. 121 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,720 Here's somethin'. Karen Hall. 122 00:06:02,780 --> 00:06:06,700 Investigator in the New York State Attorney General's Criminal Division upstate. 123 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,060 Disappeared six weeks ago. 124 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,400 That could be my Albany disconnect. 125 00:06:10,460 --> 00:06:12,230 Same age and height. 126 00:06:12,290 --> 00:06:13,860 Well, the hair color's similar but I thought 127 00:06:13,930 --> 00:06:15,810 we were looking for a German national. 128 00:06:15,860 --> 00:06:19,870 Says in her bio her father was a bird colonel in the Army stationed in... 129 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:21,610 Germany. 130 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,510 Eight years. Moved to Albany in '89. 131 00:06:29,580 --> 00:06:33,680 We were Army brats. Baden Spa, Berlin. 132 00:06:34,550 --> 00:06:38,290 My sisters and me, we spent our childhoods being dragged from base to base. 133 00:06:38,350 --> 00:06:40,890 Karen was the only one who seemed to enjoy it. 134 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:42,530 She loved meeting new people. 135 00:06:42,590 --> 00:06:45,700 ED: And when was the last time you had contact with your sister? 136 00:06:45,830 --> 00:06:47,330 The day she disappeared. 137 00:06:47,830 --> 00:06:51,040 Karen was in Manhattan on a work assignment. We spoke on the phone. 138 00:06:51,930 --> 00:06:54,240 I didn't realize it would be the last time I'd hear her voice. 139 00:06:55,540 --> 00:06:57,450 When you say "work assignment," 140 00:06:57,510 --> 00:06:59,820 you mean for the Attorney General's Office? 141 00:06:59,870 --> 00:07:00,910 Right. 142 00:07:00,980 --> 00:07:02,980 ED: Any idea what she was working on? 143 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,490 She didn't talk about her job much. 144 00:07:05,550 --> 00:07:07,080 She took it seriously, though. 145 00:07:07,150 --> 00:07:09,150 What time was it when you spoke to her? 146 00:07:09,220 --> 00:07:10,990 VINCENT: Maybe 5:00, 5:30. 147 00:07:11,820 --> 00:07:13,060 Did she say where she was? 148 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:14,620 She was on her cell phone. 149 00:07:15,620 --> 00:07:17,860 I thought maybe we could have an early dinner, 150 00:07:18,290 --> 00:07:20,470 but Karen said it would have to be another time. 151 00:07:21,030 --> 00:07:23,910 She was heading to catch the Amtrak back to Albany. 152 00:07:25,070 --> 00:07:28,010 You know, I told all this to the State Troopers when they were here. 153 00:07:28,070 --> 00:07:29,710 ED: This is just routine, Mr. Hall. 154 00:07:29,770 --> 00:07:31,910 Did Karen have any friends in Manhattan? 155 00:07:31,970 --> 00:07:34,850 Somebody who might have changed her mind about goin' home? 156 00:07:35,810 --> 00:07:37,980 She'd only been in the city maybe once or twice. 157 00:07:38,350 --> 00:07:40,790 She didn't know anyone here, outside of work. 158 00:07:41,250 --> 00:07:43,390 And you reported her missing the following Monday? 159 00:07:43,650 --> 00:07:47,220 She was supposed to go furniture shopping with Nancy in Rhinebeck, 160 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,330 but she never showed up. 161 00:07:53,190 --> 00:07:55,640 You guys got any idea who did this to her? 162 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:57,470 We're workin' on it, Mr. Hall. 163 00:07:57,700 --> 00:07:59,110 Well, work hard. 164 00:08:00,940 --> 00:08:02,970 'Cause Karen was the baby of the family. 165 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,950 She was the favorite, you know. 166 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:08,950 And I was her big brother. 167 00:08:12,650 --> 00:08:15,460 Karen started with the office's upstate division five years ago 168 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,000 as a paralegal in Mr. Conroy's bureau. 169 00:08:18,090 --> 00:08:20,460 When did she get the bump up to investigator? 170 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,630 I signed off on her promotion only six months ago, 171 00:08:22,690 --> 00:08:25,300 which is what makes what happened such a waste. 172 00:08:25,890 --> 00:08:27,770 Karen was something of a project in the bureau. 173 00:08:27,830 --> 00:08:28,930 Project? 174 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,310 Well, it was obvious from the beginning that she had a real feel for the work. 175 00:08:32,370 --> 00:08:33,900 It all came naturally to her. 176 00:08:33,970 --> 00:08:35,680 Karen just lacked some of the formal training 177 00:08:35,740 --> 00:08:37,380 and education she needed to move forward. 178 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:38,940 Eventually it all came together. 179 00:08:39,010 --> 00:08:41,150 You have any working theories? 180 00:08:41,210 --> 00:08:44,250 Had. Till her body turned up in Manhattan. 181 00:08:44,310 --> 00:08:48,620 We have a witness that puts her in the Albany train station at 9:30 that night. 182 00:08:48,680 --> 00:08:52,600 And confirms her brother's story that she was taking the 6:45 from Manhattan. 183 00:08:52,690 --> 00:08:53,930 The timing worked. 184 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,530 Ms. Shore, we're gonna need to follow up on the interviews. 185 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,370 Of course. I'll help you guys out with anything you need. 186 00:09:03,830 --> 00:09:06,370 FRANKS: The car was locked. No sign of a break-in. 187 00:09:06,430 --> 00:09:07,940 We figure she was snatched somewhere between 188 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,740 the platform and the parking lot. 189 00:09:10,340 --> 00:09:12,840 I would've come to the same conclusion. 190 00:09:12,910 --> 00:09:14,940 Either of you know Ms. Hall personally? 191 00:09:15,010 --> 00:09:16,450 Just to say hello. 192 00:09:17,210 --> 00:09:19,390 I worked a case with her once when she was a paralegal. 193 00:09:19,450 --> 00:09:20,590 She was good people. 194 00:09:20,650 --> 00:09:23,360 You find any signs of personal problems while you were knockin' around? 195 00:09:23,420 --> 00:09:26,020 No debts, no drugs, no gambling. 196 00:09:26,690 --> 00:09:28,070 Nothing out of the ordinary. 197 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:29,860 No death threats, huh? 198 00:09:31,130 --> 00:09:34,200 She have any overdue library books in her apartment? 199 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,900 Just a half-starved Cocker Spaniel and a closet full of clothes. 200 00:09:37,970 --> 00:09:40,340 Yeah, it was pretty much a cold trail after the station. 201 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:41,610 What about this newsstand guy? 202 00:09:41,670 --> 00:09:43,340 The one that says he saw her that night? 203 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,480 Hardworking Turkish. 204 00:09:45,540 --> 00:09:47,380 Been at the station over 10 years. 205 00:09:47,710 --> 00:09:49,350 We're gonna need to talk to him. 206 00:09:49,410 --> 00:09:50,980 DAVIS: I'll run you right over now, if you want. 207 00:09:54,020 --> 00:09:56,690 I told the truth. Nothing but the truth. 208 00:09:56,750 --> 00:09:59,060 Nobody's accusing you of lying, Mr. Hoca. 209 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:00,570 Take your time, sir. 210 00:10:00,620 --> 00:10:03,300 This lady in the picture, she came in on the train 211 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:05,570 on the night of the 19th of February 212 00:10:05,630 --> 00:10:07,700 and bought magazines in my kiosk. 213 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,540 Then she walk away, out that... 214 00:10:11,170 --> 00:10:12,700 Out that door? 215 00:10:13,370 --> 00:10:15,440 Are you... Are you asking or telling? 216 00:10:15,500 --> 00:10:17,140 I think this is the truth. 217 00:10:17,610 --> 00:10:21,250 Yeah, but you didn't actually see her get off the train, right? 218 00:10:21,310 --> 00:10:24,920 Me? No. The troopers, they say she was on the train. 219 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,760 Can you describe this woman, Mr. Hoca? 220 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:33,290 Blonde hair, middle height, middle weight. 221 00:10:34,290 --> 00:10:36,600 Was she dragging a flowered travel bag? 222 00:10:36,660 --> 00:10:38,040 You know, the kind you wheel around? 223 00:10:38,090 --> 00:10:41,130 Yes. I remember. I see that. 224 00:10:42,900 --> 00:10:44,000 Thank you, very much, sir. 225 00:10:44,270 --> 00:10:47,010 It's, uh, okay? I did good? 226 00:10:47,070 --> 00:10:48,640 Oh, you did fine. 227 00:10:50,770 --> 00:10:53,910 Oh, he's the most convincing witness I've heard since Kato Kaelin. 228 00:10:53,980 --> 00:10:55,610 He seemed solid when we interviewed him. 229 00:10:55,680 --> 00:10:57,550 Who else did you talk to during your investigation? 230 00:10:57,610 --> 00:10:59,650 Hey, we did our damn job. 231 00:10:59,710 --> 00:11:01,250 Did you canvass the damn area? 232 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,960 Did you talk to the regular damn commuters? 233 00:11:04,020 --> 00:11:06,090 Somebody on the train must've remembered seeing her. 234 00:11:06,150 --> 00:11:08,730 Did you talk to the conductors? The other vendors? 235 00:11:08,790 --> 00:11:10,130 Hey, we talked to everybody, okay? 236 00:11:10,190 --> 00:11:12,100 The Turk was the only one who saw her. 237 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:13,870 And that didn't tell you something? 238 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:18,840 Look, I tell you something, it stays off the record. 239 00:11:19,430 --> 00:11:21,240 We're all cops here, man. 240 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,020 The fact is, Jim and I had our own doubts. 241 00:11:24,070 --> 00:11:25,450 Doubts about what? 242 00:11:25,510 --> 00:11:28,780 About the direction the case was being steered by the A.G.'s office. 243 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:30,480 What direction was that? 244 00:11:30,550 --> 00:11:34,220 My personal opinion, and I don't have any evidence to support this. 245 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:35,390 It's all right. I hear you. 246 00:11:35,750 --> 00:11:38,230 They glommed on to the train-snatch theory for their own reasons. 247 00:11:38,290 --> 00:11:39,730 ED: And the right reasons would be? 248 00:11:39,790 --> 00:11:43,740 Let's just say I don't think the A.G. wanted to face the possibility 249 00:11:43,790 --> 00:11:47,600 that Karen Hall's killer might be some guy from one of their own case files. 250 00:11:53,700 --> 00:11:55,940 Well, naturally we considered the possibility it was work related. 251 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,240 It's the first thing we thought of. 252 00:11:57,310 --> 00:12:00,620 But we couldn't uncover any hard evidence to support the theory. 253 00:12:00,710 --> 00:12:04,620 With all due respect, Mr. Conroy, how hard did you consider it? 254 00:12:04,680 --> 00:12:05,990 Well, we pulled our case files. 255 00:12:06,050 --> 00:12:07,530 We examined every possibility. 256 00:12:07,580 --> 00:12:10,530 But, uh, all the evidence pointed back to Albany. 257 00:12:10,590 --> 00:12:13,030 We're going to need to go over all of her files. 258 00:12:13,090 --> 00:12:15,000 Everything she was working on at the time. 259 00:12:15,590 --> 00:12:17,260 Some of those cases are still pending. 260 00:12:17,390 --> 00:12:20,500 We're not going to compromise any of my investigations, are we, Lieutenant? 261 00:12:21,230 --> 00:12:23,070 You can count on our discretion. 262 00:12:24,230 --> 00:12:25,400 I don't see a problem. 263 00:12:25,470 --> 00:12:28,880 I'll have some of those case files copied and sent off to your precinct. 264 00:12:28,940 --> 00:12:31,010 Well, I'd like to get my men started on the case 265 00:12:31,070 --> 00:12:33,280 she was working the day she disappeared. 266 00:12:33,470 --> 00:12:34,580 SHORE: Alec? 267 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,180 Uh, Nate Richards. A nursing home fraud. 268 00:12:37,250 --> 00:12:39,320 It was a joint prosecution with the Feds. 269 00:12:39,380 --> 00:12:41,760 And Karen Hall was sent to Manhattan for what? 270 00:12:41,820 --> 00:12:44,460 We had a reluctant witness. I wanted Karen to hold her hand. 271 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,760 VAN BUREN: Why was the witness reluctant? 272 00:12:46,820 --> 00:12:50,770 Defendant's ex. She was having second thoughts about testifying against him. 273 00:12:50,830 --> 00:12:52,460 And that aroused no suspicion? 274 00:12:52,730 --> 00:12:54,800 We had Richards interviewed extensively. 275 00:12:54,860 --> 00:12:56,000 ALEC: It was a dead end. 276 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,300 But, listen, I understand you have a job to do. 277 00:12:58,370 --> 00:13:00,900 Uh, I can make a call to the facility. 278 00:13:00,970 --> 00:13:03,540 Your guys are certainly welcome to take a stab at him. 279 00:13:06,210 --> 00:13:07,980 RICHARDS: Like I told the guy from the A.G.'s office. 280 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,450 I wouldn't know Karen Hall if I fell over the broad. 281 00:13:10,510 --> 00:13:12,220 Interesting choice of words. 282 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,850 Ms. Hall was one of the investigators on your case. 283 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:16,920 I never laid eyes on her. I mean, what is it with you guys? 284 00:13:17,020 --> 00:13:19,230 She was working with Angela Cofresta 285 00:13:19,290 --> 00:13:21,460 at the time of her disappearance. 286 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,090 You remember Angela? 287 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,370 Bitch gave me up when I wouldn't leave my wife. 288 00:13:26,490 --> 00:13:27,870 Imagine that. 289 00:13:28,900 --> 00:13:30,500 We pulled your sheet, Nate. 290 00:13:31,300 --> 00:13:33,510 You had a little domestic history with this woman. 291 00:13:33,570 --> 00:13:34,600 Angela dropped those charges. 292 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:36,980 Yeah, we noticed that, too. 293 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:38,850 'Cause you smacked her around a little bit, right? 294 00:13:38,910 --> 00:13:40,980 Only this time, they gave her a babysitter. 295 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,110 I was lookin' at 26 months on that fraud charge. 296 00:13:43,180 --> 00:13:45,350 You think I'm gonna threaten a federal witness? 297 00:13:45,410 --> 00:13:46,920 Cap a state investigator? 298 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,820 Women. Can't live with 'em, can't kill 'em, huh, Nate? 299 00:13:50,890 --> 00:13:52,160 You got any idea how far that would've pushed me 300 00:13:52,220 --> 00:13:53,960 along on the sentencing guidelines? 301 00:13:54,020 --> 00:13:57,000 I mean, I'd need a nursing home myself by the time I got out. 302 00:13:57,490 --> 00:14:00,960 Well, can you account for your whereabouts on the night of the February 19th? 303 00:14:01,030 --> 00:14:02,170 Yeah. 304 00:14:02,900 --> 00:14:06,500 Where every good defendant is supposed to be. In my lawyer's office. 305 00:14:07,300 --> 00:14:10,340 Testifying against Nate was the hardest thing I ever did. 306 00:14:11,170 --> 00:14:12,710 I was scared of him. 307 00:14:12,770 --> 00:14:14,280 But you went through with it. 308 00:14:14,340 --> 00:14:16,220 Yeah, I went through with it. 309 00:14:17,550 --> 00:14:20,120 Karen made me think about all those old people. 310 00:14:20,180 --> 00:14:22,180 How they were suffering. 311 00:14:22,250 --> 00:14:24,160 I never thought about it like that before. 312 00:14:24,890 --> 00:14:27,560 Ms. Cofresta, you had a meeting with Ms. Hall 313 00:14:27,620 --> 00:14:29,900 at around 2:00 p.m. the day she disappeared? 314 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:31,560 We talked a lot on the phone. 315 00:14:31,630 --> 00:14:33,570 Karen came down just to be with me. 316 00:14:33,660 --> 00:14:35,370 What'd you talk about? 317 00:14:35,430 --> 00:14:38,570 Mostly stuff about the case. Goin' over stuff. 318 00:14:38,630 --> 00:14:42,170 And we talked about men. Older men, married men. 319 00:14:42,270 --> 00:14:44,150 How they try to control you. 320 00:14:44,910 --> 00:14:46,010 She really understood. 321 00:14:46,710 --> 00:14:48,550 Did she talk about the men in her life? 322 00:14:48,610 --> 00:14:50,420 No, not really. 323 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,020 But I kind of got the feelin' she was dating an older guy, too. 324 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:54,560 She mention anything about him? 325 00:14:54,620 --> 00:14:56,460 A name? Anything at all? 326 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:58,160 COFRESTA: Just that it was over. 327 00:14:58,250 --> 00:15:00,290 BRISCOE: What time did she leave? 328 00:15:00,350 --> 00:15:05,300 Maybe 4:00, I think. It was a long time ago, you know. 329 00:15:06,230 --> 00:15:09,500 I do remember she said she had a late meeting in the city that night, 330 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,270 and I could call her if I started stressing out again. 331 00:15:14,070 --> 00:15:15,950 Maybe if I did, she'd still be alive. 332 00:15:17,310 --> 00:15:18,720 She was staying late in town? 333 00:15:18,770 --> 00:15:21,750 Told her brother she had to get back to Albany to take care of her dog. 334 00:15:21,810 --> 00:15:23,620 She doesn't strike me as the type to lie to her brother. 335 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:25,320 Or to let her dog starve to death. 336 00:15:25,380 --> 00:15:27,090 Maybe something came up at work. 337 00:15:27,150 --> 00:15:28,590 Think we'd have heard about it. 338 00:15:28,650 --> 00:15:29,960 (LAUGHS) Yeah, you'd think. 339 00:15:30,590 --> 00:15:33,120 ED: I want to work for the A.G.'s office when I grow up. 340 00:15:33,190 --> 00:15:34,890 The Attorney General investigated 341 00:15:34,990 --> 00:15:37,470 illegal billing practices at the Klensch Agency. 342 00:15:37,530 --> 00:15:40,770 Karen Hall personally interviewed 17 runway models. 343 00:15:40,830 --> 00:15:42,430 Maybe we should follow up. 344 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:44,380 It looks like Conroy was right on. 345 00:15:44,430 --> 00:15:48,140 From what I'm seein', there's nothing life or death in these case files. 346 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:53,120 Hey, Ed, when did Conroy say Karen got her first field assignment to the big city? 347 00:15:53,170 --> 00:15:54,740 Couple of months back. 348 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,880 And her brother thought she was still gettin' her bearings around town? 349 00:15:57,950 --> 00:16:01,690 Right. So how come she's got three Amtrak ticket stubs, 350 00:16:01,750 --> 00:16:05,420 round trip, Albany to New York, goin' back more than a year? 351 00:16:05,490 --> 00:16:06,860 She goes down to the Big Apple, 352 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:08,490 she keeps it from her big brother 353 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:09,860 and everyone else in her life. 354 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:11,340 That can only mean one thing. 355 00:16:11,390 --> 00:16:12,800 A special friend? 356 00:16:12,860 --> 00:16:14,200 Mmm-hmm. 357 00:16:15,260 --> 00:16:16,900 Karen had no time for boyfriends. 358 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:18,570 She was so busy with work. 359 00:16:18,630 --> 00:16:21,740 God knows we tried, but it was always one thing or another. 360 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,370 Even if she had a boyfriend, she wouldn't have told me. 361 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,480 The age difference, it was more like a father-daughter thing with us. 362 00:16:28,610 --> 00:16:30,560 Karen was seeing someone. 363 00:16:31,250 --> 00:16:32,720 BRISCOE: Did she mention a name? 364 00:16:32,780 --> 00:16:34,120 She told you that? 365 00:16:34,180 --> 00:16:35,680 NANCY: She didn't want people to know. 366 00:16:35,750 --> 00:16:36,960 We're people? 367 00:16:37,020 --> 00:16:38,790 Did she tell you who she was seeing? 368 00:16:38,850 --> 00:16:41,860 No. But he was married. 369 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,340 Karen was going with a married guy? She told you that? 370 00:16:44,390 --> 00:16:45,800 She said it was over. 371 00:16:45,860 --> 00:16:47,240 ED: And she never mentioned a name? 372 00:16:47,300 --> 00:16:49,640 She wouldn't say anything about him. 373 00:16:50,130 --> 00:16:52,810 She didn't want people at work to find out. 374 00:16:53,500 --> 00:16:56,350 Why didn't you tell all this to the troopers when she disappeared? 375 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,820 I did. I told the investigators. 376 00:16:58,870 --> 00:17:00,720 But I didn't know who it was, 377 00:17:00,780 --> 00:17:04,050 and Karen said it had been over for awhile. 378 00:17:05,180 --> 00:17:07,750 So you're thinking it may be a romance gone sour? 379 00:17:07,850 --> 00:17:10,350 One of the sisters thinks it might have been an office thing. 380 00:17:10,420 --> 00:17:12,420 Did you call Albany and ask around? 381 00:17:12,490 --> 00:17:15,190 Yeah, no luck. It seems the lady was tight-lipped. 382 00:17:15,260 --> 00:17:18,260 So we pulled all of her personal credit card receipts 383 00:17:18,330 --> 00:17:19,830 goin' back a year. 384 00:17:19,890 --> 00:17:23,000 Hotel, restaurant charges from all over the city last 10 months. 385 00:17:23,060 --> 00:17:24,130 Busy girl. 386 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,010 Up until a month before she disappeared. 387 00:17:26,070 --> 00:17:29,310 Right about the time sis says the romance cooled. 388 00:17:29,370 --> 00:17:32,580 One, two, three, four five visits to Caverna? 389 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,810 ED: You know it? Yeah, it's a quiet little place 390 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,820 over on 21st and 10th. 391 00:17:38,650 --> 00:17:40,390 You say she was a customer? 392 00:17:40,450 --> 00:17:42,690 Yeah. Five or six times that we know of. 393 00:17:42,750 --> 00:17:45,750 Perhaps you can come back tomorrow. Speak with the maitre d'. 394 00:17:45,850 --> 00:17:46,960 I'm usually in the back office. 395 00:17:47,020 --> 00:17:48,690 Why can't we speak to the maitre d' now? 396 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,070 Called in sick. And we are in the middle of our busiest seating. 397 00:17:52,430 --> 00:17:55,270 Well, we're in the middle of a busy homicide investigation. 398 00:17:56,630 --> 00:17:59,010 Let me get Roberto, our head waiter. Maybe he can help you. 399 00:18:02,300 --> 00:18:03,840 These gentlemen are with the police, Roberto. 400 00:18:03,900 --> 00:18:05,710 They'd like to see if you could help identify a photograph. 401 00:18:05,770 --> 00:18:07,750 Oh, ma certo. Absolutely. 402 00:18:07,810 --> 00:18:09,750 Ah, sf. La signorina Hall 403 00:18:09,810 --> 00:18:12,350 Used to come here with her gentleman friend. 404 00:18:12,410 --> 00:18:14,190 But, uh, not so much anymore. 405 00:18:14,250 --> 00:18:17,750 You wouldn't happen to remember this gentleman friend's name? 406 00:18:17,820 --> 00:18:20,560 Oh, sure, sure. First rule of ristorante business, huh? 407 00:18:20,620 --> 00:18:22,430 Never forget a name. (LAUGHS) 408 00:18:22,490 --> 00:18:25,660 (STAMMERS) It's, uh, Alfred. Uh, no, Arturo. 409 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:31,670 Alexandro. No, Alec. Si, Alec Conroy. 410 00:18:32,130 --> 00:18:33,480 Alec Conroy? 411 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,480 He and the signorina, always the deuce in the corner. 412 00:18:36,540 --> 00:18:39,610 Very private. Uh, very romantic, huh? 413 00:18:41,180 --> 00:18:42,620 Very nice. 414 00:18:47,150 --> 00:18:48,490 Alec Conroy? 415 00:18:49,580 --> 00:18:52,000 The heir apparent at the A.G.'s office? 416 00:18:52,050 --> 00:18:53,790 How well do you really know him? 417 00:18:53,850 --> 00:18:57,560 He got organized crime convictions that everyone else thought were impossible, 418 00:18:57,630 --> 00:18:58,900 including myself. 419 00:19:00,090 --> 00:19:03,370 In addition to which, I went to law school with his boss. 420 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,070 Isabel Shore. There's a straight arrow. 421 00:19:06,630 --> 00:19:07,980 As straight as they come. 422 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,980 If she suspected anything she never would have given him the nod. 423 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:12,920 According to Briscoe and Green, 424 00:19:12,970 --> 00:19:15,450 Conroy kept his investigators pursuing leads 425 00:19:15,510 --> 00:19:17,460 he had to know would never pay off. 426 00:19:17,510 --> 00:19:20,890 And he concealed his relationship with the Hall girl. 427 00:19:20,950 --> 00:19:22,550 CARMICHAEL: A married ex-boyfriend? 428 00:19:22,950 --> 00:19:25,190 That would have been at the top of the trooper's hit list. 429 00:19:25,250 --> 00:19:28,830 Conroy told them the romance angle was a dead-end. 430 00:19:28,890 --> 00:19:31,170 While he kept them in the dark about his affair with the victim. 431 00:19:31,730 --> 00:19:34,330 This man is next in line at the Criminal Division. 432 00:19:35,500 --> 00:19:37,530 I'm not gonna drag him out in handcuffs 433 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,440 because he concealed an affair. 434 00:19:39,500 --> 00:19:41,380 He did more than conceal it, Nora. 435 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,510 He told Karen Hall's sister there was no office romance, 436 00:19:44,570 --> 00:19:46,950 and then he turned the investigation to a less than credible witness 437 00:19:47,010 --> 00:19:48,280 who put her in Albany. 438 00:19:48,340 --> 00:19:52,420 Taken as a whole, his conduct does evince a guilty mind. 439 00:19:54,250 --> 00:19:56,130 (SCOFFS) What do you want to do? 440 00:19:56,550 --> 00:19:58,860 Look him in the eye and ask him the question. 441 00:20:00,860 --> 00:20:04,630 I killed Karen Hall because I was having an affair with her, 442 00:20:04,690 --> 00:20:06,730 then stonewalled the investigation? 443 00:20:06,830 --> 00:20:10,170 (LAUGHS) That's... That's absurd. 444 00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:12,770 Is there another explanation? Yes. 445 00:20:12,830 --> 00:20:14,740 The investigation into Karen's disappearance 446 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:16,370 went nowhere because there was nowhere for it to go. 447 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:17,540 It's as simple as that. 448 00:20:17,610 --> 00:20:20,380 Especially not with a cover story about a witness in Albany. 449 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:23,120 The newsstand vendor told the troopers she was there. 450 00:20:23,180 --> 00:20:24,750 I relied on that. 451 00:20:24,810 --> 00:20:26,310 JACK: They don't see it that way. 452 00:20:26,380 --> 00:20:29,590 Really? Well, their activity reports say they do. 453 00:20:29,650 --> 00:20:31,690 Activity reports that you supervised. 454 00:20:34,020 --> 00:20:37,330 I have the distinct feeling that somebody's about to read me my rights. 455 00:20:37,590 --> 00:20:39,800 Do you need your rights read, Mr. Conroy? 456 00:20:44,170 --> 00:20:45,470 Off the record? 457 00:20:47,970 --> 00:20:49,880 Okay, on the record then. 458 00:20:50,570 --> 00:20:53,880 Karen and I had been involved. Past tense. 459 00:20:53,940 --> 00:20:56,350 I broke it off. End of story. 460 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,720 I assume you can tell us where you were the night she disappeared. 461 00:20:59,780 --> 00:21:01,560 We already know it wasn't in Albany. 462 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,890 I wouldn't have taken it on faith, either. 463 00:21:05,450 --> 00:21:07,130 I was with someone else. 464 00:21:07,190 --> 00:21:08,530 Not your wife. 465 00:21:09,790 --> 00:21:14,030 My wife and I weren't together at the time. I had my own place. 466 00:21:14,090 --> 00:21:17,370 Now, if that offends your long-horn, self-righteous sense 467 00:21:17,470 --> 00:21:19,780 of right and wrong, then so be it. 468 00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:23,510 What offends us is withholding information from an investigation. 469 00:21:23,570 --> 00:21:25,710 If I go public with my relationship with Karen, 470 00:21:25,770 --> 00:21:28,190 I jeopardize cases, maybe even my career. 471 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,690 I wasn't about to do that. Not when I had an alibi. 472 00:21:33,810 --> 00:21:36,560 Alec came over about 5:00, 5:30. 473 00:21:37,490 --> 00:21:41,870 I made dinner. We took a walk, read a bit, 474 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,000 and then turned in. 475 00:21:44,430 --> 00:21:46,000 And when did he leave? 476 00:21:46,060 --> 00:21:47,840 Around 10:00 the next morning. 477 00:21:48,730 --> 00:21:50,900 Can anyone else verify that? 478 00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:54,170 I don't see why I should be answering these questions. 479 00:21:54,900 --> 00:21:57,640 Because you've been noticed as an alibi witness. 480 00:21:57,710 --> 00:22:00,740 That gives me the right to verify Mr. Conroy's story. 481 00:22:02,710 --> 00:22:04,520 Alec never loved that girl. 482 00:22:05,250 --> 00:22:06,550 So you know about the affair? 483 00:22:06,610 --> 00:22:08,690 I'm not a fool Ms. Carmichael. 484 00:22:09,650 --> 00:22:13,150 I know there are things that Alec wants that I can't give him. 485 00:22:13,850 --> 00:22:15,330 I've been with him 12 years. 486 00:22:16,790 --> 00:22:18,700 He always comes back in the end. 487 00:22:20,890 --> 00:22:23,070 I understand he reconciled with his wife. 488 00:22:28,100 --> 00:22:29,810 Alec was right about you. 489 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,650 Houston, isn't it? 490 00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:36,220 Dallas. So he's talked to you? 491 00:22:38,610 --> 00:22:40,960 If you think Alec was in love with this girl, 492 00:22:41,020 --> 00:22:44,290 that he killed her because of it, you're wrong. 493 00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:47,290 Because he was with you, right? 494 00:22:50,360 --> 00:22:53,430 Have you ever seen Alec in court, Ms. Carmichael? 495 00:22:54,900 --> 00:22:55,970 No, I haven't had the pleasure. 496 00:22:56,030 --> 00:22:57,300 Well, you should. 497 00:22:57,570 --> 00:22:59,200 Because then you would know, 498 00:23:00,130 --> 00:23:02,210 Alec Conroy doesn't fear anything. 499 00:23:04,570 --> 00:23:06,570 She's lying, Jack. I know it. 500 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,550 And the way she idolizes Conroy, it's just creepy. 501 00:23:09,610 --> 00:23:11,350 Like he's got some kind of hold over her. 502 00:23:11,850 --> 00:23:14,020 If what the police are saying is true, 503 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,890 Conroy's been able to manipulate an entire murder investigation. 504 00:23:17,950 --> 00:23:19,930 Why not an alibi witness? 505 00:23:20,890 --> 00:23:23,370 Anything turn up with Marner's doormen? 506 00:23:23,420 --> 00:23:25,600 They can't confirm Conroy was with her that night, 507 00:23:25,660 --> 00:23:27,800 but they can't dispute it, either. 508 00:23:27,860 --> 00:23:30,670 Still leaves us without probable cause for a search warrant. 509 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,470 But we might be getting close. 510 00:23:32,530 --> 00:23:35,280 The cops went over to Conroy's apartment building. 511 00:23:35,340 --> 00:23:36,540 Anything? 512 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,120 There was no sighting of him that night, 513 00:23:38,170 --> 00:23:39,880 but the concierge let it slip 514 00:23:39,940 --> 00:23:42,420 that a few days after Karen Hall's murder 515 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,980 Mrs. Conroy sent down specific instructions 516 00:23:45,050 --> 00:23:48,750 not to let Conroy up to the apartment under any circumstances. 517 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,760 One month after he supposedly broke off the affair, 518 00:23:52,820 --> 00:23:55,320 his wife suddenly bars him from their apartment? Why? 519 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,400 She was afraid of somethin'. 520 00:23:57,460 --> 00:23:58,900 Or someone. 521 00:23:59,460 --> 00:24:00,910 But even if it's true, they've reconciled. 522 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,770 I doubt she'll tell us anything now. 523 00:24:02,860 --> 00:24:05,040 Maybe there's someone else she'll talk to. 524 00:24:09,140 --> 00:24:11,170 SHORE: Alec is a suspect in this girl's murder. 525 00:24:12,270 --> 00:24:15,380 It's not possible. He wouldn't. 526 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,250 You must have had some suspicion. 527 00:24:18,180 --> 00:24:19,780 Why else leave specific instructions 528 00:24:19,850 --> 00:24:21,760 your husband not be allowed into your home? 529 00:24:21,820 --> 00:24:23,730 Alec still had his own apartment. 530 00:24:23,780 --> 00:24:26,790 JACK: You left the same instructions at your children's school. 531 00:24:29,390 --> 00:24:30,600 Where are the kids? 532 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,440 With my parents. 533 00:24:34,090 --> 00:24:35,300 JACK: Why? 534 00:24:36,100 --> 00:24:38,470 Are you afraid of your husband, Mrs. Conroy? 535 00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:42,640 I don't see how my relationship with my husband is any of your business. 536 00:24:43,470 --> 00:24:44,540 Either of yours. 537 00:24:45,570 --> 00:24:47,350 This is very hard for me, too. 538 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,320 Alec and I worked side by side every day. 539 00:24:52,150 --> 00:24:54,420 I respected him and I trusted him. 540 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,220 But this is no good. We're not going to be able to protect him. 541 00:24:58,690 --> 00:25:01,530 He's getting help, Isabel. He really is trying this time. 542 00:25:01,590 --> 00:25:05,470 If he killed her, nothing will ever be right again 543 00:25:05,530 --> 00:25:07,510 until he takes responsibility for it. 544 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,770 How long can you keep your children away, Mrs. Conroy? 545 00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:22,580 We talked about divorcing a few times. 546 00:25:23,980 --> 00:25:27,290 But this last time, I'd really decided. 547 00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:32,620 When I told him, Alec just snapped. 548 00:25:33,490 --> 00:25:36,990 He started accusing this girl of destroying our family. 549 00:25:37,620 --> 00:25:41,070 And the more I tried to explain, the angrier he became. 550 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,400 I got so scared. 551 00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:49,480 I thought if I went with Alec to his therapist, it might be easier. 552 00:25:51,570 --> 00:25:53,020 That's when I found out. 553 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,080 Found out what, Mrs. Conroy? 554 00:25:59,450 --> 00:26:01,790 He had already decided who was to blame. 555 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,860 Obviously I can't go into anything concerning what Alec told me. 556 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,420 Mrs. Conroy indicated that the three of you 557 00:26:10,490 --> 00:26:12,800 discussed her husband's affair with Karen Hall 558 00:26:12,860 --> 00:26:14,430 in a therapy session with you, 559 00:26:14,490 --> 00:26:18,970 and that in fact it was you who recommended that they immediately separate. 560 00:26:19,970 --> 00:26:22,000 Deanne Conroy wasn't my patient. 561 00:26:22,900 --> 00:26:25,280 Well, you can at least verify the accuracy of her statement. 562 00:26:25,910 --> 00:26:29,910 I suppose if she's already told you as much, I don't see the harm in that. 563 00:26:29,980 --> 00:26:32,390 She also revealed the substance of that therapy session, 564 00:26:32,450 --> 00:26:34,620 and that she left it with serious concerns 565 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:36,990 about the safety of Karen Hall. 566 00:26:38,220 --> 00:26:41,220 Now we're treading on thinner ice here, Counselors. 567 00:26:41,290 --> 00:26:45,290 That information arises directly out of my diagnosis of Mr. Conroy. 568 00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:47,970 And when another woman turns up missing, what then, Doctor? 569 00:26:48,030 --> 00:26:50,130 My obligation is to my patient. 570 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:52,710 I warned Ms. Hall. 571 00:26:52,770 --> 00:26:53,940 CARMICHAEL: You warned her? 572 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,010 I put it all in the letter. There's nothing more I could do. 573 00:26:57,070 --> 00:26:58,550 What letter, Doctor? 574 00:27:01,010 --> 00:27:02,650 A Tarasoff letter. 575 00:27:02,710 --> 00:27:05,420 You're familiar with it? Regents v. Tarasoff. 576 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:10,190 A California case permitting a psychiatrist to send a warning letter 577 00:27:10,250 --> 00:27:13,630 if he believes his patient constitutes a threat to a third party. 578 00:27:13,690 --> 00:27:16,130 You say you got this copy from Conroy's shrink? 579 00:27:16,260 --> 00:27:18,200 The original hasn't turned up yet. 580 00:27:18,260 --> 00:27:21,400 Conroy probably took care of that in the initial investigation. 581 00:27:21,460 --> 00:27:24,000 "It is my belief that Mr. Conroy constitutes" 582 00:27:24,060 --> 00:27:26,240 "an immediate real danger to you." 583 00:27:26,300 --> 00:27:27,640 That'd be Karen Hall. 584 00:27:27,700 --> 00:27:29,580 LEWIN: "And possibly others." 585 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,740 Conroy's psychiatrist sent a similar letter to Alice Marner. 586 00:27:32,810 --> 00:27:35,050 And you say his wife was in some of these sessions? 587 00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:38,560 She used the therapist's office as a safe haven to break it off with him. 588 00:27:38,610 --> 00:27:42,690 And this other woman Conroy's supposed alibi what's her safe haven? 589 00:27:42,750 --> 00:27:45,200 We have her under 24-hour surveillance. 590 00:27:45,250 --> 00:27:47,760 Which is how we discovered that Marner's late husband 591 00:27:47,820 --> 00:27:50,430 kept a 26-foot Grady White in the boat basin, 592 00:27:50,490 --> 00:27:51,990 and she held onto it. 593 00:27:52,060 --> 00:27:53,370 Well, that's a nice item to have. 594 00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:55,960 I mean, if you need to dispose of a body. 595 00:27:57,330 --> 00:27:59,810 We know you received a letter just like this one. 596 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,240 Alec would never harm me. 597 00:28:03,300 --> 00:28:05,340 Karen Hall made the same assumption. 598 00:28:05,410 --> 00:28:07,320 CARMICHAEL: Ask yourself this, Ms. Marner. 599 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,290 When this trial is over, and Alec Conroy doesn't need you anymore, 600 00:28:11,380 --> 00:28:13,590 are you going to go out on your boat with him again? 601 00:28:17,550 --> 00:28:18,830 We know all about it. 602 00:28:18,890 --> 00:28:22,060 Security from the marina told us someone took your boat out that night. 603 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,840 It's one thing to provide an alibi when you have doubts. 604 00:28:30,900 --> 00:28:33,170 It's quite another when you know the truth. 605 00:28:33,230 --> 00:28:34,910 JACK: It's called accessory after the fact, 606 00:28:34,970 --> 00:28:37,880 and it makes you just as guilty of the murder as Conroy. 607 00:28:37,940 --> 00:28:40,250 No man is worth 25 years in prison. 608 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:46,760 Alec called that night. 609 00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:48,220 JACK: Where was he? 610 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:49,780 At a pay phone. 611 00:28:49,850 --> 00:28:51,160 JACK: What did he say? 612 00:28:52,090 --> 00:28:55,290 He said he needed my help. He needed me. 613 00:28:56,220 --> 00:28:58,900 I asked him what was wrong. Do I have to do this? 614 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,260 What did Conroy want from you? 615 00:29:01,860 --> 00:29:05,940 He just said he needed to use the boat. To meet him at the marina. 616 00:29:06,530 --> 00:29:08,170 Were you on board? 617 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,410 He took the key. 618 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,370 Did he have anything with him? 619 00:29:15,780 --> 00:29:17,380 A duffel bag. 620 00:29:19,210 --> 00:29:20,690 A big one. 621 00:29:24,050 --> 00:29:25,220 MAN: Who's gonna pay for all this? 622 00:29:25,290 --> 00:29:27,930 Hey, we got a warrant. Take it up with the building manager. 623 00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:29,090 Anything? 624 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,230 Floors have been refinished. Place has been painted. 625 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,310 At 2800 for one bedroom, they damn well better have painted it. 626 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:35,570 ED: Lennie... 627 00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:39,740 There's something in the grouting. It could be blood. 628 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,110 It'll take a second for the Luminol to kick in. 629 00:29:43,170 --> 00:29:44,550 Hit the light, would you, Detective? 630 00:29:47,910 --> 00:29:49,680 ED: That's blood. 631 00:29:49,740 --> 00:29:52,620 Huh. They should have re-tiled the place, too. 632 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,680 Oh, that's it. They're payin' for a hotel. 633 00:29:55,620 --> 00:29:57,150 All right, that's good, that's good. I like that. 634 00:29:57,220 --> 00:29:58,220 But if you were to take Ferguson... 635 00:29:58,290 --> 00:30:00,290 Game's over, boys and girls. 636 00:30:00,350 --> 00:30:01,830 Excuse me. What the hell's goin' on here? 637 00:30:01,890 --> 00:30:04,490 Alec Conroy, you're under arrest for the murder of Karen Hall. 638 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,560 Call my wife please. You have the right to remain silent... 639 00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:08,830 Excuse me. I know my rights, thank you. 640 00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:11,380 Oh, that's right. You used to have one of these. 641 00:30:17,470 --> 00:30:20,920 "Docket 44937. People v. Conroy." 642 00:30:20,970 --> 00:30:22,850 "Charge is Murder, Second Degree." 643 00:30:22,910 --> 00:30:24,010 JUDGE: How does the defendant plead? 644 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,850 Not guilty, on behalf of Mr. Conroy. 645 00:30:25,910 --> 00:30:26,910 JUDGE: People on bail? 646 00:30:26,980 --> 00:30:29,860 The defendant is an Assistant Attorney General in the Criminal Division, 647 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,330 and the victim was his former lover and employee. 648 00:30:32,390 --> 00:30:34,920 Now, Your Honor, the People are in possession of a letter dated 649 00:30:34,990 --> 00:30:37,560 shortly before the victim's disappearance which indicates 650 00:30:37,620 --> 00:30:40,040 the defendant posed an immediate physical threat to her. 651 00:30:40,090 --> 00:30:41,800 The letter's totally inadmissible. 652 00:30:41,860 --> 00:30:43,710 His own psychiatrist will attest to it, Your Honor. 653 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,000 Not in any court in this land. 654 00:30:45,070 --> 00:30:47,940 Motion to suppress the so-called Tarasoff letter and anything that comes with it. 655 00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:51,820 Bail's set at one million. Motion's referred to the trial part. 656 00:30:51,870 --> 00:30:53,650 Spin the wheel, Louis. 657 00:30:54,170 --> 00:30:55,550 JUDGE CALLAHAN: Damning stuff, Counselor. 658 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,280 I can understand why you wouldn't want a jury to get wind of this. 659 00:30:58,380 --> 00:31:00,150 Every word in that letter is hearsay, Your Honor, 660 00:31:00,210 --> 00:31:02,960 and is being offered to prove the very matter asserted. 661 00:31:03,020 --> 00:31:04,930 The doctor can confirm its contents. 662 00:31:05,690 --> 00:31:08,130 Not unless my client is willing to waive the doctor-patient privilege 663 00:31:08,190 --> 00:31:10,100 which I can assure you, he's not. 664 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:11,300 What about it, Mr. McCoy? 665 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,360 Therapeutic privilege was shattered by the presence of a third party. 666 00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:19,070 Well, your office tried that same argument in People v. Bierenbaum. 667 00:31:19,170 --> 00:31:21,240 It didn't work then, doesn't work now. 668 00:31:21,330 --> 00:31:24,910 Your Honor, in Bierenbaum all we had were witnesses who were willing to testify 669 00:31:24,970 --> 00:31:27,650 that the defendant told them he was in therapy. 670 00:31:27,710 --> 00:31:29,580 Here we have someone who was actually in the session. 671 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,490 It was his wife, Your Honor. 672 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:34,290 Wife? 673 00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:37,220 So if the psychological privilege doesn't apply... 674 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,290 STAN: Then the spousal prohibition does. 675 00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:43,860 Spousal privilege precludes Mrs. Conroy's testifying, not Conroy's psychiatrist. 676 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,240 Call it what you like. I'm not letting the man's shrink violate the privilege 677 00:31:48,330 --> 00:31:50,040 because the man's wife was in the same room. 678 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,170 And without the good doctor's testimony, the letter is hearsay... 679 00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:54,180 Relax, Stan. The letter's out, too. 680 00:31:56,770 --> 00:32:00,050 Dr. Breitel, the letter and his testimony are gone. 681 00:32:01,340 --> 00:32:03,150 What about the blood in the apartment? 682 00:32:03,210 --> 00:32:05,920 Too contaminated for any real analysis. 683 00:32:05,980 --> 00:32:07,080 The murder weapon? 684 00:32:07,150 --> 00:32:09,020 Conroy doesn't own a registered handgun. 685 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,650 He could've gotten it anywhere. 686 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,560 He probably dropped it in the water along with Karen Hall's body. 687 00:32:13,620 --> 00:32:15,120 Well, what does that leave us with? 688 00:32:15,190 --> 00:32:17,430 Alice Marner's testimony that Conroy took her boat out 689 00:32:17,490 --> 00:32:19,270 that night with a duffel bag. 690 00:32:19,330 --> 00:32:23,070 We also have his attempt at a false alibi. It's a roll of the dice. 691 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,070 (SIGHS) No. 692 00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:28,810 I don't want to gamble with a jilted mistress, Jack. 693 00:32:35,510 --> 00:32:37,350 A plea? You can't be serious. 694 00:32:37,410 --> 00:32:39,690 Alec, let's hear them out at least. Hear what out? 695 00:32:39,750 --> 00:32:42,590 Without Dr. Breitel, all you've got is circumstantial evidence. 696 00:32:42,650 --> 00:32:44,390 We all know how juries hate to convict on that. 697 00:32:44,450 --> 00:32:46,120 And yet sometimes they do. 698 00:32:46,190 --> 00:32:48,530 Trust me this one won't. 699 00:32:48,590 --> 00:32:51,660 They might after they learn about all the blood in that bathroom. 700 00:32:52,330 --> 00:32:54,170 From what I understand from your forensic report, 701 00:32:54,230 --> 00:32:56,830 the blood couldn't be typed. It was too contaminated? 702 00:32:56,900 --> 00:32:59,470 STAN: Alec... I remember reading somewhere that bleach can do that. 703 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,440 Aren't you forgetting about a large duffel bag you were carrying that evening? 704 00:33:03,900 --> 00:33:06,210 Oh, the one that Alice never actually looked into? 705 00:33:06,270 --> 00:33:08,380 It's in my closet. I can bring it in, if you'd like. 706 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,150 Of course, it could be one that just looks like it. 707 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,760 Any event, I doubt Alice will be able to tell the difference either way. 708 00:33:14,810 --> 00:33:16,920 We also have a witness in the marina. 709 00:33:16,980 --> 00:33:19,430 ALEC: A witness to what? A late night cruise? 710 00:33:20,050 --> 00:33:22,530 Do you know how many times I've taken that boat out? Hmm? 711 00:33:22,590 --> 00:33:24,660 Even when Alice's husband was alive? 712 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,260 You don't seriously expect to walk on this? 713 00:33:28,860 --> 00:33:31,670 I understand you've never seen me in court. 714 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:33,940 Consider this a preview. 715 00:33:34,730 --> 00:33:35,910 Stan. 716 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,090 Miss Hall was last seen by Ms. Cofresta at approximately 4:00 p.m. 717 00:33:51,150 --> 00:33:53,560 She had indicated that she was going to be staying in the city. 718 00:33:54,420 --> 00:33:58,370 What about the witness who originally placed Ms. Hall in Albany? 719 00:33:58,890 --> 00:34:00,930 He's since retracted that identification. 720 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,310 Thank you. Nothing further. 721 00:34:07,870 --> 00:34:10,470 To your knowledge, was Mr. Conroy seen 722 00:34:10,540 --> 00:34:12,210 with the deceased the night of her disappearance? 723 00:34:12,270 --> 00:34:13,410 Uh, no. 724 00:34:13,470 --> 00:34:15,820 And Mr. Conroy has admitted that he and Ms. Hall 725 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,180 were having an affair, has he not? 726 00:34:17,240 --> 00:34:18,520 ED: I believe he has, yes. 727 00:34:18,580 --> 00:34:22,530 Well, do you know of any fact... Fact, Detective, 728 00:34:22,580 --> 00:34:25,290 that would contradict his assertion that the affair had ended? 729 00:34:25,350 --> 00:34:26,420 No. 730 00:34:26,490 --> 00:34:28,590 In fact, the only evidence on the issue 731 00:34:28,660 --> 00:34:33,070 is that Mr. Conroy returned to his wife following a legal separation. 732 00:34:33,130 --> 00:34:36,470 Actually, I think he made a few stops before he went back to his wife. 733 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,540 Ha-ha. Nothing further. 734 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,880 ALICE: I've known Alec for 12 years. 735 00:34:44,070 --> 00:34:46,910 JACK: You described your relationship with the defendant as passionate. 736 00:34:47,940 --> 00:34:51,250 Passionate. Supportive. 737 00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:53,190 Supportive, how? 738 00:34:53,250 --> 00:34:55,990 Alec was not a man who found it easy to 739 00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:58,760 let his guard down with others. 740 00:35:00,290 --> 00:35:01,630 With me, it was different. 741 00:35:01,690 --> 00:35:04,260 He trusted me. He confided in me. 742 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,070 JACK: And that night, he confided in you? 743 00:35:06,860 --> 00:35:08,430 Alec asked for my help. 744 00:35:10,060 --> 00:35:11,740 He needed to use the boat. 745 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,470 JACK: Those were his words? "Use the boat?" 746 00:35:13,530 --> 00:35:15,640 Yes, and I let him. 747 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,810 I let him throw that girl's body into the river. 748 00:35:20,210 --> 00:35:22,280 STAN: Objection. JUDGE: Sustained. 749 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:23,750 JACK: Thank you. Nothing further. 750 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,490 Twelve years is a long time to know a man, isn't it? 751 00:35:31,550 --> 00:35:32,790 And you are 752 00:35:33,850 --> 00:35:36,200 fond of Alec Conroy, aren't you? 753 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,300 I've been in love with Alec Conroy since the day we met. 754 00:35:40,660 --> 00:35:41,930 And I still am. 755 00:35:42,700 --> 00:35:45,680 And you've testified that this man who you've known and loved for nearly 12 years, 756 00:35:45,730 --> 00:35:48,440 who confided in you, trusted you, 757 00:35:48,500 --> 00:35:51,450 called and asked if he could use your boat? 758 00:35:51,500 --> 00:35:52,680 ALICE: Yes. 759 00:35:53,540 --> 00:35:55,450 In the dead of winter. 760 00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:59,620 And this man who so trusted you and relied on you gave no reason why. 761 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,350 He just said he needed help. 762 00:36:01,450 --> 00:36:04,120 STAN: He offered no explanation, and you didn't ask him why? 763 00:36:04,450 --> 00:36:05,660 ALICE: No. 764 00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:08,200 You just met him at the boat. 765 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:10,160 Yes. 766 00:36:10,220 --> 00:36:12,030 And you claimed that when he showed up, 767 00:36:12,090 --> 00:36:15,370 he was carrying a duffel bag, and still you didn't ask why? 768 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,300 ALICE: No. 769 00:36:24,870 --> 00:36:27,480 You didn't meet Alec Conroy at the boat that night, did you? 770 00:36:28,780 --> 00:36:30,020 I don't understand. 771 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,960 Oh, you went to the boat all right, but you met him at his apartment, didn't you? 772 00:36:33,210 --> 00:36:34,590 No, I did not. 773 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,590 You met him at the apartment that he had rented for the two of you. 774 00:36:38,450 --> 00:36:40,120 Only you weren't invited. 775 00:36:40,190 --> 00:36:44,660 And when you showed up to see your lover of 12 years in the arms of this young girl... 776 00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:46,100 What are you trying to do? 777 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,570 STAN: Your late husband owned a .22 caliber handgun, 778 00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:50,230 did he not, Mrs. Marner? ALICE: Alec... 779 00:36:50,300 --> 00:36:52,330 STAN: You're the one who killed that woman that night, aren't you? 780 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,540 No! The wife posed no threat. 781 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,410 But this one, she did. This young sensuous woman. 782 00:36:58,470 --> 00:37:00,350 Objection. Overruled. 783 00:37:00,710 --> 00:37:03,050 You killed her, and then you asked Alec Conroy, 784 00:37:03,110 --> 00:37:06,220 the man you love, the man you trust, to help you. 785 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,660 In fact, you counted on the 12 years of control that you had had over him. 786 00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:10,890 Control I had? 787 00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:13,330 Yeah, and it worked. Because rather than turn you in, 788 00:37:13,390 --> 00:37:16,030 rather than fulfill his obligations as a prosecutor 789 00:37:16,090 --> 00:37:18,830 he took pity on you, didn't he? 790 00:37:18,890 --> 00:37:21,300 Helped you get rid of Miss Hall's body? 791 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,740 That never happened. Never! 792 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:25,170 Your boat, Mrs. Marner. 793 00:37:25,570 --> 00:37:29,740 Your boat, your gun, your jealousy. 794 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,290 Should've seen it coming. How could we? 795 00:37:38,350 --> 00:37:42,120 The gun was registered to Marner's late husband in Florida, not New York. 796 00:37:43,050 --> 00:37:44,690 You think the jury will see through that? 797 00:37:45,650 --> 00:37:47,760 Gillum doesn't need to prove the Marner scenario. 798 00:37:47,820 --> 00:37:51,530 He just has to get one juror to buy himself reasonable doubt. 799 00:37:51,590 --> 00:37:54,330 Which he can do because they will never see the Tarasoff letter. 800 00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:59,280 To a lawyer like Gillum, that letter isn't a fact, it's just an annoying detail. 801 00:38:00,070 --> 00:38:02,510 This guy leaves his wife, he takes two lovers, 802 00:38:02,570 --> 00:38:05,610 and he still has the sanctity of marital privilege to protect him. 803 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,480 Except he didn't just leave his wife. 804 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,690 When Gillum crossed Green he said... 805 00:38:16,750 --> 00:38:18,320 They were legally separated. 806 00:38:19,590 --> 00:38:21,900 Another one of those annoying details. 807 00:38:25,290 --> 00:38:27,570 I was under the impression I'd already ruled on this. 808 00:38:27,630 --> 00:38:30,010 The Tarasoff letter, the shrink's testimony. 809 00:38:30,860 --> 00:38:32,100 It's a non-starter, Jack. 810 00:38:32,170 --> 00:38:34,980 We're agreed that if Mr. Conroy had uttered his threats 811 00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:36,840 to his psychiatrist and a third party, 812 00:38:36,900 --> 00:38:38,280 the privilege would have been shattered? 813 00:38:38,340 --> 00:38:42,180 We've been down this path. The so-called third party was his wife. 814 00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:46,120 Only they were legally separated at the time, not just living apart. 815 00:38:46,610 --> 00:38:50,560 Page 36 of your cross-examination of Detective Green, Stan. 816 00:38:50,620 --> 00:38:51,790 A legal separation? 817 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:53,850 They filed an agreement with the court. 818 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,660 STAN: A distinction without a difference. 819 00:38:55,720 --> 00:38:58,760 Your Honor, once an agreement has been filed, 820 00:38:58,830 --> 00:39:00,600 one spouse can go out and have an affair, 821 00:39:00,660 --> 00:39:03,230 and legally the other spouse can't use it as grounds for divorce. 822 00:39:03,300 --> 00:39:04,970 I'd say that's a pretty big difference. 823 00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:07,810 JUDGE: So you're claiming now that marital privilege doesn't apply 824 00:39:07,870 --> 00:39:10,070 because the sanctity of marriage no longer existed? 825 00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:13,510 In the eyes of the law, Deanne Conroy was a third party. 826 00:39:13,570 --> 00:39:17,610 Ergo, her presence in therapy nullifies the therapeutic privilege. 827 00:39:17,710 --> 00:39:19,020 Your Honor... 828 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,920 JUDGE: Stan, look at it this way. 829 00:39:21,410 --> 00:39:25,090 If the jury convicts, you'll have a hell of an issue on appeal. 830 00:39:26,050 --> 00:39:27,550 The letter's in, the shrink's in. 831 00:39:35,500 --> 00:39:37,840 Doctor, please read the highlighted portion 832 00:39:37,900 --> 00:39:40,640 in the third full paragraph on page two. 833 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,440 DR. BREITEL: "In the light of this, Ms. Hall", 834 00:39:43,500 --> 00:39:45,980 "I believe that Mr. Conroy should be considered" 835 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,420 "an immediate and very real physical threat." 836 00:39:50,810 --> 00:39:52,720 What was the basis for your opinion? 837 00:39:52,780 --> 00:39:55,230 Mr. Conroy suffers from CDR. 838 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,350 Control Domination Response. 839 00:39:57,420 --> 00:39:58,730 In lay terms? 840 00:39:58,790 --> 00:40:01,270 He needs to feel that everything in his life, 841 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,320 especially the people in his life, 842 00:40:03,390 --> 00:40:06,500 are under his control, domination. 843 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,010 JACK: Specifically? DR. BREITEL: Just look at the women in his life. 844 00:40:10,060 --> 00:40:15,340 Devoted wife, widowed mistress, aspiring employee. 845 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:19,750 All of them share a vulnerability to him A dependence. 846 00:40:20,270 --> 00:40:23,810 When Mr. Conroy realized he could no longer control Ms. Hall, 847 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,590 you can see how her defiance could be perceived by him 848 00:40:27,650 --> 00:40:31,420 as jeopardizing more than just their relationship. 849 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,620 Did he say he was going to kill Ms. Hall? 850 00:40:35,260 --> 00:40:36,790 He said he wanted to. 851 00:40:38,660 --> 00:40:40,000 And I believed him. 852 00:40:41,590 --> 00:40:42,870 JACK: Nothing further. 853 00:40:47,370 --> 00:40:48,970 Man one on the table, McCoy? 854 00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:50,710 You've gotta be kidding. 855 00:40:50,770 --> 00:40:52,440 So what is? JACK: Murder two. 856 00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:55,780 I can get that after trial. 857 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,480 Not with a promise of 20-to-life. 858 00:40:57,540 --> 00:40:59,720 Oh, you're going to knock five years off the bottom? 859 00:40:59,780 --> 00:41:02,020 And we take no position on parole. 860 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,990 You might just see the light of day again. 861 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,560 (SCOFFS) The light of day. 862 00:41:07,620 --> 00:41:10,190 Do you know how many times I sat on the other side of this table 863 00:41:10,260 --> 00:41:12,330 and said those same words to a defendant? 864 00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:13,890 Now or never, Mr. Conroy. 865 00:41:14,490 --> 00:41:17,810 The ticking clock. Always an effective strategy. 866 00:41:22,170 --> 00:41:23,610 You've got your plea, McCoy. 867 00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:24,980 JACK: You'll have to allocute. 868 00:41:25,610 --> 00:41:27,550 Oh, is that really necessary? 869 00:41:27,610 --> 00:41:31,180 For months, Karen Hall's family has been plagued by questions of how and why. 870 00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:33,590 We're not leaving this room until your client answers them. 871 00:41:33,810 --> 00:41:34,810 (WHISPERS) You don't have to. 872 00:41:35,420 --> 00:41:36,420 It's okay. 873 00:41:37,580 --> 00:41:42,330 You know, this may come as a big surprise to all of you, but I loved Karen. 874 00:41:42,990 --> 00:41:45,700 Killing someone's a pretty sick way of saying "I love you." 875 00:41:48,700 --> 00:41:53,840 When I first met Karen, she was just another local girl in cheap shoes. 876 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,610 She didn't know the first thing about being a professional, 877 00:41:56,670 --> 00:42:02,210 about talking like one, or like dressing like one, or like thinking like one. 878 00:42:03,010 --> 00:42:04,580 I was the one who taught her that. 879 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,060 And then you betrayed her. 880 00:42:06,110 --> 00:42:08,350 ALEC: No, that was her choice, not mine. 881 00:42:08,410 --> 00:42:11,920 I was willing to give up my wife and my children for her. 882 00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:15,290 She just couldn't appreciate the sacrifice. 883 00:42:17,260 --> 00:42:18,400 So then? 884 00:42:18,460 --> 00:42:20,600 So then I called her late that afternoon 885 00:42:20,660 --> 00:42:23,470 and told her I had some new information about the case. 886 00:42:25,230 --> 00:42:28,010 She was reluctant about coming over to the apartment, 887 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,110 but I told her it would just be a few minutes. 888 00:42:31,770 --> 00:42:34,220 But I could tell in her voice she didn't want to come. 889 00:42:34,270 --> 00:42:35,450 But she did. 890 00:42:35,510 --> 00:42:37,850 Loyalty to the job, Ms. Carmichael. 891 00:42:38,950 --> 00:42:40,480 I taught her that, too. 892 00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:42,720 Where'd you get the gun? 893 00:42:42,780 --> 00:42:44,780 Alice's, a few weeks before. 894 00:42:44,850 --> 00:42:46,460 What happened after Ms. Hall got there? 895 00:42:47,090 --> 00:42:49,230 ALEC: At first, we talked about work. 896 00:42:49,290 --> 00:42:51,740 I wanted her to think everything was going to be okay. 897 00:42:52,290 --> 00:42:55,330 But then I brought up the relationship, and Karen said 898 00:42:56,130 --> 00:42:59,700 she was uncomfortable with the subject. That it was over. 899 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,110 She started putting on her coat. I told her to sit down. 900 00:43:05,170 --> 00:43:07,780 She said I couldn't tell her what to do anymore. 901 00:43:09,180 --> 00:43:12,380 So I reached for her, and she pulled away. 902 00:43:14,550 --> 00:43:19,500 And she said that the thought of her being touched by me again made her sick. 903 00:43:21,390 --> 00:43:22,890 That's when she saw the gun. 904 00:43:24,590 --> 00:43:28,060 She gave me this look like she knew she'd gone too far. 905 00:43:29,460 --> 00:43:31,340 Why not just let her walk away? 906 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:32,670 ALEC: I couldn't. 907 00:43:33,870 --> 00:43:36,970 Karen should have known I could never do that. 908 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:43,550 Now she does. 909 00:43:49,020 --> 00:43:51,620 Background checks, press coverage, 910 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,760 and with all that, Alec Conroy was a heartbeat away 911 00:43:53,820 --> 00:43:56,990 from one of the most powerful jobs in the criminal justice system. 912 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,560 (EXHALES) What a frightening thought.